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by Ian Cutress on April 19, 2018 9:00 AM ESTStoreMI: The Way To A Faster JBOD
When AMD launched the Ryzen APUs earlier this year, one of the minor side-announcements was that AMD was promoting software called FuzeDrive, from Enmotus. For an extra $20, this software could be yours. For the new Ryzen-2000 series desktop processors and X470 platform, this software is now branded as part of AMD’s software stack, and can be downloaded for free from the AMD website under the StoreMI branding.
The Benefits of a Cache
The principle for StoreMI is that a user can take a mid-range system, powered by a slow drive, and add a small but fast drive to increase the speed of the most frequently accessed files. The software creates a storage ‘tier’ between the fast drive and the slow drive, giving the user a single drive with the combined capacity of the two drives, while the software implements pattern recognition to understand which files can be placed on the fast drive and help with acceleration.
Tiered storage is not new – it is used in many storage-focused enterprise systems backed by very complex software. Fast storage is small expensive, while content is typically large: content delivery networks (CDNs), like Netflix or Steam, will use tiered storage and caching such that the most frequency accessed films or games will come from storage that is both near to the user and from the fastest possible location.
In a modern computer, the fastest storage is the onboard memory / DRAM. This is where files and programs are loaded to when the processor needs to access the data or keep data close for the lifetime of the software. In recent years certain enthusiasts have used RAMDisks, creating a drive using the onboard memory, to act as a fast repository. The only downside is that the data is lost on restart as the data held in DRAM is volatile (or not persistent).
A modern enthusiast machine is likely to have some sort of solid-state drive (SSD) based on NAND flash – either a drive connected via the PCIe lanes as super-fast storage, or connected through a SATA port. These users often have a mechanical hard-drive, based on spinning platters of rust, as a backup for bulk storage, commonly referred to as a hard-disk drive (HDD), and the speed is limited to how the system reads from a drive that spins at 7200 or 5400 times per second. Many machines still ship with HDDs as their primary and bulk storage, much to the dismay of users that notice the immediate user experience benefit of an SSD.
With StoreMI, a user can take any configuration of PCIe SSD, SATA SSD, or HDD, and implement them into a tiered storage drive. The combined single drive will have the capacity of all the drives in the tier, and the software will manage which data should be moved around into the fast storage drive. This process is gradual, and the software will take time to learn which files are the most important – this will mean that the effect will not be immediately noticeable, but after the third or fourth time that software or a game has been loaded, the system should have a good idea.
The StoreMI tool also allows the user to add up to 2GB of onboard memory into the storage tier. This process does not add additional capacity to the tier, but the DRAM acts as the fastest cache and will hold copies of the data held on other drives such that data is not lost. As mentioned above, as onboard memory is volatile, the speed up information will be lost on restart. In our discussions with AMD, they felt that 2GB was a good amount of memory for this DRAM cache: due to the way the software works, the company said that a large cache showed no tangible benefit. It also allows systems with only 8GB of total system memory to take advantage of the software.
Configurations
Unlike the caching technology behind Intel’s RST (which has only recently supported caching on non-Boot drives), AMD’s StoreMI can be used at any time in the lifecycle of the system. For any user that wants to delay the purchase of an SSD NVMe or SSD SATA storage drive, or delay to buy a bigger drive, they can do so and implement it into the tiered storage at a later date.
StoreMI can support almost any configuration requested, either on a Boot drive or on a data drive. For a Boot drive, AMD recommends installing the operating system on the higher capacity slower drive first, such that the HDD, and adding a blank SSD as the fast tier, although the reverse is also possible for users that want to add the larger drive later (there may be additional steps to the process). The only difference is that the software is likely to move a lot of data around at the beginning.
Configurations that are suggested for StoreMI are:
- HDD + DRAM
- HDD + SATA SSD
- HDD + SATA SSD + DRAM
- HDD + NVMe SSD
- HDD + NVMe SSD + DRAM
- SATA SSD + DRAM
- SATA SSD + NVMe SSD + DRAM
- NVMe SSD + DRAM
The biggest noticeable improvement should occur in configuration 4, when an NVMe SSD is paired with a mechanical HDD.
AMD states that if a tier reaches across from native chipset to controller based SATA ports, the software is likely to move files related to hibernation over to the drive on the native SATA ports for stability; this process might take up to 30 minutes.
Users can also remove drives from the tiered storage, if there is enough space to put all the data on the drive that stays in the tier. The removed drive will be left with zero data, and can be removed from the system or used for other things.
The Big Limitation: 256 GB on the Fast Tier
A point not mentioned in our initial briefings when FuzeDrive was launched alongside the APUs, but repeated sufficiently in the StoreMI User Guide, is that AMD’s bulk licensing deal with Enmotus means that the faster drive in the tier can only be up to 256GB in size.
When adding a drive larger than 256GB as the fast tier, the system will partition the blank drive automatically, offering the extra capacity as a separate drive letter on its own.
When adding a large HDD as the slow tier to an SSD boot drive, this is only a problem if the SSD is bigger than 256. Users in this circumstance will be required to migrate the operating system (using other software) from the SSD to the HDD first, then boot the system using the HDD and add the (now blank) SSD as a fast tier.
Some users might see this as a big deal – adding a 3TB HDD slow drive to a 512GB SSD-based boot drive shouldn’t have to be this complicated. However in this circumstance it might be suggested that the drives be kept separate, and items like the Steam folder are manually bifurcated into two locations with the favorite games on the sizeable SSD. However StoreMI is geared more towards systems that would naturally only have a large HDD in them to begin with – adding in a small fast SSD, say 64GB-128GB, is the intended use case here.
The Failure Rate: Downsides of a JBOD
Most options for combining drives in an array involve an element of speed (reading data across many drives at once) or protection against failures (data is replicated, or a parity bit is introduced), and usually storage array options combine both, trading failure protection for speed or vice-versa. For users involved in storing files, one of the options for combining drives is known as a JBOD, or ‘just a bunch of disks’. A JBOD offers neither speed nor failure protection.
A JBOD array does one thing: it combines the drives into the array to appear as one contiguous file space, and it treats it as such. Putting eight 10 TB drives into a JBOD will appear as an 80 TB drive in a system. However, it does not read from or write to the drives simultaneously – it will purely write data in a sequential manner and read the data from the drive that has it. As a result, it is still only as fast as a single drive, but if one of the drives in the JBOD array fails, the array is broken and the array is lost. Without specialist tools, all the data is lot from the whole array as well, and the data on that specific drive is almost certainly gone. If a single drive has an average failure rate, an eight drive array is expected to fail eight times as frequently as it relies on every drive being in workable condition.
What StoreMI does in this context is that it suffers from the same lack of protection from drive failures. There is no mechanism by which the data is protected if one drive in the tier fails – if one drive in the tier fails, the data across all the drives is lost. If the boot drive is a bargain SSD using low quality NAND, or the hard drive is old, then losing the data across both drives is a real possibility.
Initially I thought this was a significant issue. If a user was to put 10 drives into the tier, for example, it could spell disaster. The significance was muted however, when I learned of the 256 GB fast tier size limit, as it means that most users are likely to only pair two drives into a tier. AMD’s response to the threat of failure was to say that users should expect to keep backups regardless, and no specific comment was made based on the increased failure rate of a two-drive tier compared to a single drive. Because StoreMI moves data around from SSD to HDD, there could be additional concern as the software could write more data to the SSD over time than a casual user might do if it was just the boot drive, causing the NAND to wear out quicker. Neither AMD nor AnandTech see this as much of an issue, given that modern MLC and TLC SSDs are very good at managing bad data blocks and have overprovisioning built in.
Benchmarks!?
At present we haven’t had time to directly test StoreMI, having focused on other projects and upcoming events. If we get time, we will have a new article on StoreMI.
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Marlin1975 - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
Looks good, guess AMD will replace my Intel system next.Just waiting for GPU and memory prices to fall.
3DoubleD - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
Agreed... the waiting continuesWorldWithoutMadness - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
Lol, you might even wait until Zen 2 comes out next year or even later.Dragonstongue - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
should be out next year as AMD has been very much on the ball with Ryzen launches more or less to the DAY they claimed would launch which is very nice...basically what they are promising for product delivery they are doing what they say IMO, not to mention TSMC recently announced volume production of their 7nm, so that likely means GloFo will be very soon to follow, and AMD can use TSMC just the same :)t.s - Tuesday, July 31, 2018 - link
What @WWM want to say is: You can wait forever for the RAM price to go down, rather than when ryzen 2 out.StevoLincolnite - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
I still haven't felt limited by my old 3930K yet.Can't wait to see what Zen 2 brings and how Intel counters that.
mapesdhs - Friday, April 20, 2018 - link
If you ever do fancy a bit more oomph in the meantime (and assuming IPC is less important than threaded performance, eg. HandBrake is more important than PDF loading), a decent temporary sideways step for X79 is a XEON E5-2697 v2 (IB-EP). An oc'd 3930K is quicker for single-threaded of course, but for multithreaded the XEON does very well, easily beating an oc'd 3930K, and the XEON has native PCIe 3.0 so no need to bother with the not entirely stable forced NVIDIA tool. See my results (for FireFox, set Page Style to No Style in the View menu):http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/tests-jj.txt
mapesdhs - Monday, April 23, 2018 - link
Correction, I meant the 2680 v2.Samus - Friday, April 20, 2018 - link
I never felt limited by my i5-4670k either, especially mildly overclocked to 4.0GHz.Until I build a new PC around the same old components because the MSI Z97 motherboard (thanks MSI) failed (it was 4 years old but still...) so I picked up a new i3-8350k + ASRock Z270 at Microcenter bundled together for $200 a month ago, and it's a joke how much faster it is than my old i5.
First off, it's noticeably faster, at STOCK, than the max stable overclock I could get on my old i5. Granted I replaced the RAM too, but still 16GB, now PC4-2400 instead of PC3-2133. Doubt it makes a huge difference.
Where things are noticeably faster comes down to boot times, app launches and gaming. All of this is on the same Intel SSD730 480GB SATA3 I've had for years. I didn't even do a fresh install, I just dropped it in and let Windows 10 rebuild the HAL, and reactivated with my product key.
Even on paper, the 8th gen i3's are faster than previous gen i5's. The i3 stock is still faster than the 4th gen i5 mildly overclocked.
I wish I waited. It's compelling (although more expensive) to build an AMD Ryzen 2 now. It really wasn't before, but now that performance is slightly better and prices are slightly lower, it would be worth the gamble.
gglaw - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link
i think there's something wrong with your old Haswell setup if the difference is that noticeable. I have every generation of Intel I7 or I5 except Coffee Lake running in 2 rooms attached to each other, and I can't even notice a significant difference from my SANDY 2600k system with a SATA 850 Evo Pro sitting literally right next to my Kaby I7 with a 960 EVO NVMe SSD. I want to convince myself how much better the newer one is, but it just isn't. And this is 5 generations apart for the CPU's/mobos and using one of the fastest SSD's ever made compared to a SATA drive, although about the fastest SATA drive there is. Coffee Lake is faster than Kaby but so tiny between the equivalent I7 to I7, I can't see myself noticing a major difference.In the same room across from these 2 is my first Ryzen build, the 1800X also with an 960 EVO SSD. Again, I can barely convince myself it's a different system than the Sandy 2600k with SATA SSD. I have your exact Haswell I5 too, and it feels fast as hell still. Especially for app launches and gaming. The only time I notice major differences between these systems is when I'm encoding videos or running synthetic benchmarks. Just for the thrill of a new flagship release I just ordered the 2700X too and it'll be sitting next to the 1800X for another side by side experience. It'll be fun to setup but I'm pretty convinced I won't be able to tell the 2 systems apart when not benchmarking.