Thread Director: Windows 11 Does It Best

Every operating system runs what is called a scheduler – a low-level program that dictates where workloads should be on the processor depending on factors like performance, thermals, and priority. A naïve scheduler that only has to deal with a single core or a homogenous design has it pretty easy, managing only power and thermals. Since those single core days though, schedulers have grown more complex.

One of the first issues that schedulers faced in monolithic silicon designs was multi-threading, whereby a core could run more than one thread simultaneously. We usually consider that running two threads on a core usually improves performance, but it is not a linear relationship. One thread on a core might be running at 100%, but two threads on a single core, while overall throughput might increase to 140%, it might mean that each thread is only running at 70%. As a result, schedulers had to distinguish between threads and hyperthreads, prioritizing new software to execute on a new core before filling up the hyperthreads. If there is software that doesn’t need all the performance and is happy to be background-related, then if the scheduler knows enough about the workload, it might put it on a hyperthread. This is, at a simple level, what Windows 10 does today.

This way of doing things maximizes performance, but could have a negative effect on efficiency, as ‘waking up’ a core to run a workload on it may incur extra static power costs. Going beyond that, this simple view assumes each core and thread has the same performance and efficiency profile. When we move to a hybrid system, that is no longer the case.

Alder Lake has two sets of cores (P-cores and E-cores), but it actually has three levels of performance and efficiency: P-cores, E-Cores, and hyperthreads on P-cores. In order to ensure that the cores are used to their maximum, Intel had to work with Microsoft to implement a new hybrid-aware scheduler, and this one interacts with an on-board microcontroller on the CPU for more information about what is actually going on.

The microcontroller on the CPU is what we call Intel Thread Director. It has a full scope view of the whole processor – what is running where, what instructions are running, and what appears to be the most important. It monitors the instructions at the nanosecond level, and communicates with the OS on the microsecond level. It takes into account thermals, power settings, and identifies which threads can be promoted to higher performance modes, or those that can be bumped if something higher priority comes along. It can also adjust recommendations based on frequency, power, thermals, and additional sensory data not immediately available to the scheduler at that resolution. All of that gets fed to the operating system.

The scheduler is Microsoft’s part of the arrangement, and as it lives in software, it’s the one that ultimately makes the decisions. The scheduler takes all of the information from Thread Director, constantly, as a guide. So if a user comes in with a more important workload, Thread Director tells the scheduler which cores are free, or which threads to demote. The scheduler can override the Thread Director, especially if the user has a specific request, such as making background tasks a higher priority.

What makes Windows 11 better than Windows 10 in this regard is that Windows 10 focuses more on the power of certain cores, whereas Windows 11 expands that to efficiency as well. While Windows 10 considers the E-cores as lower performance than P-cores, it doesn’t know how well each core does at a given frequency with a workload, whereas Windows 11 does. Combine that with an instruction prioritization model, and Intel states that under Windows 11, users should expect a lot better consistency in performance when it comes to hybrid CPU designs.

Under the hood, Thread Director is running a pre-trained algorithm based on millions of hours of data gathered during the development of the feature. It identifies the effective IPC of a given workflow, and applies that to the performance/efficiency metrics of each core variation. If there’s an obvious potential for better IPC or better efficiency, then it suggests the thread is moved. Workloads are broadly split into four classes:

  • Class 3: Bottleneck is not in the compute, e.g. IO or busy loops that don’t scale
  • Class 0: Most Applications
  • Class 1: Workloads using AVX/AVX2 instructions
  • Class 2: Workloads using AVX-VNNI instructions

Anything in Class 3 is recommended for E-cores. Anything in Class 1 or 2 is recommended for P cores, with Class 2 having higher priority. Everything else fits in Class 0, with frequency adjustments to optimize for IPC and efficiency if placed on the P-cores. The OS may force any class of workload onto any core, depending on the user.

There was some confusion in the press briefing as to whether Thread Director can ‘learn’ during operation, and how long it would take – to be clear, Thread Director doesn’t learn, it already knows from the pre-trained algorithm. It analyzes the instruction flow coming into a core, identifies the class as listed above, calculates where it is best placed (which takes microseconds), and communicates that to the OS. I think the confusion came with the difference in the words ‘learning’ and ‘analyzing’. In this case, it’s ‘learning’ what the instruction mix to apply to the algorithm, but the algorithm itself isn’t updated in the way that it is ‘learning’ and adjusting the classes. Ultimately even if you wanted to make the algorithm self-learn your workflow, the algorithm can’t actually see which thread relates to which program or utility – that’s something on the operating system level, and down to Microsoft. Ultimately, Thread Director could suggest a series of things, and the operating system can choose to ignore them all. That’s unlikely to happen in normal operation though.

One of the situations where this might rear its head is to do with in-focus operation. As showcased by Intel, the default behavior of Windows changes depending on whether on the power plan.

When a user is on the balanced power plan, Microsoft will move any software or window that is in focus (i.e. selected) onto the P-cores. Conversely, if you click away from one window to another, the thread for that first window will move to an E-core, and the new window now gets P-core priority. This makes perfect sense for the user that has a million windows and tabs open, and doesn’t want them taking immediate performance away.

However, this way of doing things might be a bit of a concern, or at least it is for me. The demonstration that Intel performed was where a user was exporting video content in one application, and then moved to another to do image processing. When the user moved to the image processing application, the video editing threads were moved to the E-cores, allowing the image editor to use the P-cores as needed.

Now usually when I’m dealing with video exports, it’s the video throughput that is my limiting factor. I need the video to complete, regardless of what I’m doing in the interim. By defocusing the video export window, it now moves to the slower E-cores. If I want to keep it on the P-cores in this mode, I have to keep the window in focus and not do anything else. The way that this is described also means that if you use any software that’s fronted by a GUI, but spawns a background process to do the actual work, unless the background process gets focus (which it can never do in normal operation), then it will stay on the E-cores.

In my mind, this is a bad oversight. I was told that this is explicitly Microsoft’s choice on how to do things.

The solution, in my mind, is for some sort of software to exist where a user can highlight programs to the OS that they want to keep on the high-performance track. Intel technically made something similar when it first introduced Turbo Max 3.0, however it was unclear if this was something that had to come from Intel or from Microsoft to work properly. I assume the latter, given the OS has ultimate control here.

I was however told that if the user changes the Windows Power Plan to high-performance, this behavior stops. In my mind this isn’t a proper fix, but it means that we might see some users/reviews of the hardware with lower performance if the workload doing the work is background, and the reviewer is using the default Balanced Power Plan as installed. If the same policy is going to apply to Laptops, that’s a bigger issue.

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  • GeoffreyA - Friday, October 29, 2021 - link

    Indeed, it's been shown to work on a Pentium 4. So all it really needs is an SSE2/x64 CPU. That's it.
  • Oxford Guy - Friday, October 29, 2021 - link

    We’ll see. Things have a way of changing after one gets a foot in the door. Incrementalism is the standard tactic for pushing bad changes onto people.

    You may not take MS’ support policy seriously but many do. My recollection of the initial coverage of this issue is that people were warned sternly by the installer if not blocked.

    There is no excuse for trying to bully people into abandoning equipment that has good performance and relevance.

    Claims about what’s easy abound. For instance, many claimed that it’s easy to get macOS Big Sur to run on specific Dell hardware, via the ‘Dortania guide’ and packages on Github. The reality is a far different matter.

    The only truly easy thing is to have legitimate support from MS. Instead, the company is trying the same underhanded tactics it used to push Windows 10 onto machines. The repertoire now includes arbitrary removal of official support from highly-relevant machines.

    No excuses.
  • mode_13h - Friday, October 29, 2021 - link

    > Nobody should use Windows 11. Switch to Linux.

    In the short term, Alder Lake users will be worse of for it. Intel hasn't been prioritizing work on properly supporting the Thread Director & Alder Lake scheduling in Linux.

    I expect that will change, but their current priority is clearly Sapphire Rapids (for which Linux support has been running uncharacteristically late).
  • domih - Wednesday, October 27, 2021 - link

    Pop-corn is ready. Bring it on. Can't wait to see this discussion degenerate into a slugfest.
  • onewingedangel - Wednesday, October 27, 2021 - link

    The pcie 4.0 x4 is a bit of an odd choice - it's SSD's that are likely to benefit from pcie 5.0 first, so you'll end up needing to run the pcie 5.0 x16 as x8/x8 with 8 for the GPU and x8 for an SSD adapter. If you split the x16 can 8 lanes be pcie 4.0 (if using current GPU) with the other 8 running pcie 5.0 for SSD?
  • willis936 - Wednesday, October 27, 2021 - link

    The I/O situation looks like a disaster. But hey, they give the users 8 SATA ports.

    🙄
  • Wereweeb - Wednesday, October 27, 2021 - link

    PCIe 5.0 is worthless for consumers. The real world performance bottleneck for SSD's is random reads/writes.

    14GB/s sequential reads will only help when transferring things like a game installation to another PCIe 5.0 SSD - and as the new SSD's will need bleeding edge microcontrollers to not fry themselves, I can guarantee that very few people will consider it worth it to buy more than one. And to those people, I would strongly recommend getting their hands on an Optane drive instead.

    Will all of that change at some point? Naturally! But it will take years for applications of those sequential speeds to be found, and for prices to come down.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, October 28, 2021 - link

    Agreed. PCIe 4.0 was already of dubious value, 5.0 is just ridiculous. I guess it's "futureproof" though.
  • Oxford Guy - Friday, October 29, 2021 - link

    SSD makers want everyone to use QLC crud. They're not prioritizing performance.
  • PEJUman - Wednesday, October 27, 2021 - link

    "...In my mind, this is a bad oversight. I was told that this is explicitly Microsoft’s choice on how to do things."

    I thought Pat came out a few weeks ago admitting software is a key component to performance. It seems the rest of rank-and-file have not gotten the memo and still try to shift blame towards Microsoft.

    Coming from a user perspective, I really don't care who own the issue. If I paid $3000 for a high performance laptop, I really don't have the time to figure out how to extract maximum performance and stability out of my workstation. I don't want to have to google which W11 update I need to have, then google again on why Windows keep rolling back that update from my system.

    At this rate Apple ecosystem with guaranteed performance, reliability & better QA will eventually win my next laptop purchase from Dell/HP.

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