AMD Llano HTPC Builders Guide
by Ganesh T S on June 5, 2012 8:02 AM ESTThe Llano APUs come in 2, 3 and 4 core variants. The table below lists all the retail SKUs available, along with current pricing. Note that the A4-3420 (which was initially OEM only, and was later supposed to debut in a retail model), A6-3600, A6-3620, A8-3800, and the A8-3820 don't seem to be available with any of the first-tier retailers, so we've left them out of the charts.
AMD Llano APU Lineup (Desktop) | |||||||
APU | Cores |
Frequency (Turbo) |
GPU |
GPU Config (Shaders:TMU:ROP @ Frequency) |
Memory Support |
TDP | Pricing |
A4-3300 | 2 | 2.5GHz | 6410D | 160:8:4 @ 443MHz | DDR3-1600 | 65W | $60 |
A4-3400 | 2 | 2.7GHz | 6410D | 160:8:4 @ 600MHz | DDR3-1600 | 65W | $66 |
A6-3500 | 3 |
2.1GHz (2.4GHz) |
6530D | 320:16:8 @ 443MHz | DDR3-1866 | 65W | $80 |
A6-3650 | 4 | 2.6GHz | 6530D | 320:16:8 @ 443MHz | DDR3-1866 | 100W | $85 |
A6-3670K | 4 | 2.7GHz | 6530D | 320:16:8 @ 443MHz (Unlocked) | DDR3-1866 | 100W | $105 |
A8-3850 | 4 | 2.9GHz | 6550D | 400:20:8 @ 600MHz | DDR3-1866 | 100W | $110 |
A8-3870K | 4 | 3.0GHz | 6550D | 400:20:8 @ 600MHz (Unlocked) | DDR3-1866 | 100W | $119 |
With the choice of available APUs out of the way, it is now time to take a look at the two Fusion Controller Hubs (FCHs) available for Lynx, the Llano desktop platform:
AMD Fusion Controller Hubs for Lynx (Desktop Llano) | |||||
Chipset | Code Name | Unified Media Interface | SATA | USB 3/2/1.1 | TDP |
A55 | Hudson-D2 | x4 Gen 2 + Display Port | 6 x 3Gbps | 0/14/2 | 7.6W |
A75 | Hudson-D3 | x4 Gen 2 + Display Port | 6 x 6Gbps | 4/10/2 | 7.8W |
The three main motherboard form factors of interest to us are (in order of size):
- mini-ITX (17cm x 17cm)
- micro-ATX (24.4cm x 24.4cm)
- ATX (30.5cm x 24.4cm)
Scenarios which don't involve high quality gaming/complex TV tuner systems can make do with mini-ITX motherboards (only one expansion slot). On the other hand, for moderate gaming and/or the installation of capture cards/internal TV tuners, multiple expansion slots such as those in the micro-ATX motherboards might be required. For high end HTPCs that also double up as gaming rigs with cards in CrossFire and/or network DVRs with custom capture cards, ATX motherboards (which have up to seven expansion slots) are necessary.
We're not going to recommend any specific board for each size as being "best", as what qualifies as such will vary from person to person. However, it is worth nothing that the motherboard choice can have wide ranging effects on the overall stability and functionality of a system. If you buy an inexpensive board, it may or may not work with all memory modules, it might lack fine-grained fan control, overclocking features may not be present, and there's even a potential for incompatibilities with certain peripherals and/or SSDs. If any of those items are of particular importance to you, we'd suggest reading up on some of the motherboard reviews to see how the various boards compare. All of the boards listed below should work for a basic HTPC setup, but some are going to be better than others.
The following table gives you an idea of the various mini-ITX motherboards currently available. All boards have a single PCI-E 2.0 x16 expansion slot, 4x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2, and are based on the A75 chipset. All of these are targeted towards small form factor systems suitable for use as HTPCs, as they have both HDMI output as well as optical SPDIF for multi-channel audio.
HTPC Oriented mini-ITX Motherboards for Lynx (Desktop Llano) | ||||
Vendor | Board Name | Memory Slots | Misc. Notes | Price |
ASRock | A75M-ITX | 2x DDR3 2400+ | GbE + 4x USB 3.0 | $90 |
Asus | F1A75-I DELUXE | 2x DDR3 1866 | GbE + 2x USB 3.0 + 1x USB 3.0 Internal Header | $140 |
AzureWave Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n | ||||
Bluetooth 3.0 | ||||
Mini-Remote/Keypad | ||||
Gigabyte | GA-A75N-USB3 | 2x DDR3 2000+ | RealtekGbE | $74 |
Zotac | A75ITX-A-E | 2x DDR3 1866 | DualGbE | $133 |
802.11 b/g/n | ||||
Bluetooth 3.0 | ||||
6x USB 3.0 |
Moving on to the micro-ATX configurations, we have a large number of choices. All options have HDMI output with audio. However, not all HTPC setups have a receiver capable of parsing audio over HDMI. In order to experience multi-channel audio in such a scenario, it is necessary to take advantage of the SPDIF output. The table below lists the six boards which satisfy this criteria. If optical SPDIF is not needed, we have many more choices.
HTPC Oriented micro-ATX Motherboards for Lynx (Desktop Llano) | |||||
Vendor | Board Name | Memory Slots | PCI Configuration | Misc. Notes | Price |
Asus | F1A55-M/CSM | 4x DDR3 2250+ | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16, x4), 1x PCI-E x1, 1x PCI | 6x SATA 3Gbps, 2x USB 3.0 | $78 |
ASRock | A75M | 2x DDR3 2400+ | 1x PCI-E x16, 1x PCI-E x1, 2x PCI | 5x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $75 |
ASRock | A75 PRO4-M | 4x DDR3 2400+ | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16, x4), 2x PCI | 5x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $84 |
Asus | F1A75-M PRO | 4x DDR3 1866 | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16, x4), 1x PCI-E x1, 1x PCI | 6x SATA 6Gbps | $105 |
ECS | A75F-M | 4x DDR3 1866 | 1x PCI-E x16, 1x PCI-E x1, 2x PCI | 6x SATA 6Gbps, USB 3.0 Headers | $80 |
Gigabyte | GA-A75M-D2H | 2x DDR3 2400+ | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16, x4), 1x PCI-E x1, 1x PCI | 6x SATA 6Gbps, USB 3.0 Headers | $70 |
For most readers looking to build a Llano-based HTPC, one of the above motherboards should suffice. However, as we mentioned in the last section, users might also want to use their HTPC as a gaming rig; others might want PCI-E/PCI slots for multiple capture cards. A selection of full-sized ATX motherboards for such purposes is provided in the table below. Note that several of the boards also have anywhere from $10 to $30 main-in rebates, and very likely we'll see prices continue to drop as the Q3 launch of Trinity gets closer.
HTPC Oriented ATX Motherboards for Lynx (Desktop Llano) | |||||
Vendor | Board Name | Memory Slots | PCI Configuration | Misc. Notes | Price |
ASRock | A55 PRO3 | 4x DDR3 2400+ | 2x PCI-E x16, 1x PCI-E x1, 3x PCI | 5x SATA 3Gbps, 2x SATA 6Gbps, 2x USB 3.0 | $75 |
ASRock | A75 PRO4 | 4x DDR3 2400+ | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16,x4), 2x PCI-E x1, 3x PCI | 5x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $80 |
ASRock | A75 Extreme6 | 4x DDR3 2400+ | 3x PCI-E x16(x16/x0 or x8/x8, x4), 1x PCI-E x1, 3x PCI | 8x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $95 |
Asus | F1A75-V PRO | 4x DDR3 1866 | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16,x4), 2x PCI-E x1, 3x PCI | 7x SATA 6Gbps, 1xeSATA2, 1x DP | $116 |
Asus | F1A75-V EVO | 4x DDR3 1866 | 3x PCI-E x16(x16/x0 or x8/x8, x4), 2x PCI-E x1, 2x PCI | 7x SATA 6Gbps, 1xeSATA2, 1x DP | $130 |
ECS | A75F-A | 4xDDR3 2600+ | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16,x4), 2x PCI-E x1, 3x PCI | 5x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $80 |
Gigabyte | GA-A75-D3H | 4x DDR3 1866 | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16,x4), 2x PCI-E x1, 3x PCI | 5x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $90 |
Gigabyte | GA-A75-UD4H | 4x DDR3 2400+ | 2x PCI-E x16 (x16,x8), 3x PCI-E x1, 2x PCI | 5x SATA 6Gbps, 1x eSATA2 | $105 |
One thing to keep in mind is that Llano is basically a dead-end platform. AMD's Trinity will use socket FM2, so you won't be able to upgrade to anything faster than what we've currently listed. As noted above, we will also likely see prices drop further in the coming month or two. With the processor and motherboard chosen, let us move on to the other components of the build.
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JAK620 - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
"AMD's Llano can't run Netflix HD well "Is your Llano system built upon any slower-clocked 2 or 3 core Llano or Zacat?
I disagree. I have an HTPC w/ A8-3850 w/o a discrete graphic card. I do not have any problem running Netflix full screen w/ 1080P.
ganeshts - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
Agree.. No problems with Netflix HD except on Zacate platforms.. In the Llanos (quad core versions with the higher end iGPU), it works smoothly:http://www.anandtech.com/show/4479/amd-a83850-an-h...
JAK620 - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
Adding the point that without a discrete graphic card ( I do not play many games on the PC but on gaming consoles), the overall fan noise is a lot lower than a regular PC (CPU + discrete graphic).I agree that the stock fan is kinda loud but luckily my case has really good airflow so constantly the CPU is <45 celcius and around 52~54 celcius under moderate load (playing NSF Unleashed in 1080P w/ some effects tuned down or Skpye 720P HD).
With good case air flow, it helps moderate the CPU fan speed and noise
jeffkro - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
yup, its zacate(e350) that can't do netflix HD. People are giving misleading information.jeffkro - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
you're insane, llano has plenty of cpu grunt to handle netflix HD even without offloading it to the gpu. What you are saying is definitely true of the much lower end zacate setup.plonk420 - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
it SHOULD be able to do netflix... my saddeningly undercapable E-350 was ALMOST able to do HD netflix, but not quite.UrQuan3 - Wednesday, June 6, 2012 - link
It is odd that Netflix HD still doesn't work on Zacate. My E-350 runs 1080p h264 and VC-1 fine. Of course, that's 30fps, I still haven't seen a 60fps video in the wild. It also handles crunchyroll 1080p streaming without a problem. It must just be a Silverlight problem like other people are saying.Peroxyde - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
Heat sink of the G.Skill Snipper RAM module: Is there any functional purpose to the two metal pieces that protrude on the top on both left and right sides? May be that's just me, I find that impractical as this hurts the fingers when installing the modules.TheTechSmith - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
I researched building an HTPC to play video files off of a NAS a year and a half ago, and wound up buying a Boxee box instead. At $190 it's a lot more expensive than its most popular competitors (Apple TV, Roku, etc), but it is a lot cheaper than building an HTPC, and has played every type of file I have thrown at it off of my NAS, which is something the cheaper competitors cannot do. You get access premium pay services as well including Netflix and Voodoo in the US. There are other products (e.g. WD TV Live) that will do this as well, reviewed on this site. A word of warning however, Adobe has not made version 11 of flash available for Boxee and similar devices yet which breaks streaming of a lot of free web content from TV station web sites, and this is completely out of Boxee's control. I know many would prefer to build their own solution so they can customize their hardware and software, but each to their own.lurker22 - Tuesday, June 5, 2012 - link
Problem is Boxee is a dead platform. Also, does it support Netflix HD?Oh, and Plex is so much more versatile and stable!