Cooe you really need to tone down the aggression. Starting from your first comment you talk down to everybody like you're some kind of genius while we are kids. The reality will probably be the opposite. That said, AMD was like 50% behind because of the aforementioned inefficient idle power. Even the cherry picked 3780U in the MS Surface was like 40% behind. If AMD had closed this huge gap, they would be bragging about it. Even if they reduce this to a 10-20% loss would be a huge accomplishment.
These chips will have all the laptop I/O they need integrated, there will be no separate chipset.
Most likely it'll be a PCIe x8/x16 for the discrete GPU, PCIe x4 link for the SSD, a SATA for additional HDD, and USB for everything else.
Perhaps x8 for mobile, x16 for desktop (which may have use a separate chipset for more I/O). APU likely has two PCIe x4 links, two enabled for desktop, one enabled for mobile. These appear to be PCIe 3 in the mobile SKUs, I hope the desktop APUs will bump these to PCIe 4.
That's completely untrue. I have a mini desktop system (ASRock A300) with a 2400G that is stuffed full of two spinning 2.5" HDDs, two m.2 drives, and 16GB of RAM. Looking over at my Kill-A-Watt as I type this, it's sitting at 12.4W total power draw. If what you said was true, I'd be seeing at least 20-25W idle.
More importantly, it outperforms my last gaming system in the same games at the same resolution (1080p) at a max of 70W total power draw for the entire system, versus the 400W+ power draw of my last system with a Core i7 and GTX 1050 Ti. If that isn't power efficiency I don't know what is.
Whilst your comment is informative, I would dispute your 400w figure 100w for CPU, 300w for 1050ti no sir , no! About 150w max for that 1050ti at full chat, I want to know when these mobile parts will transformed into desktop or mini-pc . ALtho saving the best gfx for the hi-end parts is a bit of segmentation, they could afford to put MORE gfx on the 6c parts , not less. Bad AMD, Bad.
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Cooe - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
That was entirely because of the 12nm I/O die... Which APU's don't have. Try again?milli - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Cooe you really need to tone down the aggression. Starting from your first comment you talk down to everybody like you're some kind of genius while we are kids. The reality will probably be the opposite.That said, AMD was like 50% behind because of the aforementioned inefficient idle power. Even the cherry picked 3780U in the MS Surface was like 40% behind. If AMD had closed this huge gap, they would be bragging about it. Even if they reduce this to a 10-20% loss would be a huge accomplishment.
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lejeczek - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
was like.. is like... like like... like .. nothing really is.Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
The bus determines the idle power. This is entirely different and comparing it as if relevant is...wrong.
psychobriggsy - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
These chips will have all the laptop I/O they need integrated, there will be no separate chipset.Most likely it'll be a PCIe x8/x16 for the discrete GPU, PCIe x4 link for the SSD, a SATA for additional HDD, and USB for everything else.
Perhaps x8 for mobile, x16 for desktop (which may have use a separate chipset for more I/O).
APU likely has two PCIe x4 links, two enabled for desktop, one enabled for mobile. These appear to be PCIe 3 in the mobile SKUs, I hope the desktop APUs will bump these to PCIe 4.
kaidenshi - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
"the chipset alone wants 11-15W"That's completely untrue. I have a mini desktop system (ASRock A300) with a 2400G that is stuffed full of two spinning 2.5" HDDs, two m.2 drives, and 16GB of RAM. Looking over at my Kill-A-Watt as I type this, it's sitting at 12.4W total power draw. If what you said was true, I'd be seeing at least 20-25W idle.
More importantly, it outperforms my last gaming system in the same games at the same resolution (1080p) at a max of 70W total power draw for the entire system, versus the 400W+ power draw of my last system with a Core i7 and GTX 1050 Ti. If that isn't power efficiency I don't know what is.
neblogai - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
A300 does not use a chipset, it runs off the APU, like laptop designs.Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
That's semantics. The chipset is on the die, but the electricals are on the mobo = chipset layout.MASSAMKULABOX - Thursday, January 9, 2020 - link
Whilst your comment is informative, I would dispute your 400w figure 100w for CPU, 300w for 1050ti no sir , no! About 150w max for that 1050ti at full chat, I want to know when these mobile parts will transformed into desktop or mini-pc . ALtho saving the best gfx for the hi-end parts is a bit of segmentation, they could afford to put MORE gfx on the 6c parts , not less. Bad AMD, Bad.soresu - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
The APU's have integrated the chipset for several generations now, keep up!At the very least unlike with Matisse and Threadripper, the chipset functions are all on 7nm instead of 12nm, whatever difference that makes.